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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46566</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I&#039;m fortunate to keep such good company. James and I are surrounded by very generous family and friends. I don&#039;t see stinginess in my circle of influence. We have also been at the receiving end of very generous offerings by people who knew we were in need.  Percentage wise we outgive those running for office with the exception of McCain. It&#039;s a darn shame. I believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. I think it applies to every area of our lives. We are blessed to bless. We follow the Dave Ramsey plan. Money is for giving, saving and then spending. My Dave Ramsey budget form list charity at the very top. It&#039;s the first thing you budget for each month. I believe these economic times are causing MILLIONS to get on the Dave Ramsey budget. What a blessing to our country. Millions of people being taught to give first and then budget for everything else. Once you start budgeting and living within your means your money is freed up to give more of it away. I thank God for Dave Ramsey. We have always given our tithe to our church but thanks to him when times are tough we aren&#039;t tempted to give less. We give a set percentage of our income no matter what. It&#039;s always fun to give above and beyond that when you see need. When you live your life within your means and budget, it&#039;s amazing the freedom you have to give. This is the problem our country has. We need to get back to good old fashioned Grandma budgeting! Live within your means and stay out of debt! This would change our country in an enormous way. I am more for the Dave Ramsey financial plan than I am the government taking money from us to spread around as they see fit. 

My sister is die hard Democrat. We&#039;ve enjoyed discussing the issues. I can see her point of view, too, even though I may not agree in the end. It&#039;s fun to discuss things with people of a different point of view. Thanks, Rob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I&#8217;m fortunate to keep such good company. James and I are surrounded by very generous family and friends. I don&#8217;t see stinginess in my circle of influence. We have also been at the receiving end of very generous offerings by people who knew we were in need.  Percentage wise we outgive those running for office with the exception of McCain. It&#8217;s a darn shame. I believe in the principle of sowing and reaping. I think it applies to every area of our lives. We are blessed to bless. We follow the Dave Ramsey plan. Money is for giving, saving and then spending. My Dave Ramsey budget form list charity at the very top. It&#8217;s the first thing you budget for each month. I believe these economic times are causing MILLIONS to get on the Dave Ramsey budget. What a blessing to our country. Millions of people being taught to give first and then budget for everything else. Once you start budgeting and living within your means your money is freed up to give more of it away. I thank God for Dave Ramsey. We have always given our tithe to our church but thanks to him when times are tough we aren&#8217;t tempted to give less. We give a set percentage of our income no matter what. It&#8217;s always fun to give above and beyond that when you see need. When you live your life within your means and budget, it&#8217;s amazing the freedom you have to give. This is the problem our country has. We need to get back to good old fashioned Grandma budgeting! Live within your means and stay out of debt! This would change our country in an enormous way. I am more for the Dave Ramsey financial plan than I am the government taking money from us to spread around as they see fit. </p>
<p>My sister is die hard Democrat. We&#8217;ve enjoyed discussing the issues. I can see her point of view, too, even though I may not agree in the end. It&#8217;s fun to discuss things with people of a different point of view. Thanks, Rob.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, that&#039;s unfortunate.  But then &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001080.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cindy&#039;s not a big giver either&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, that&#8217;s unfortunate.  But then <a href="http://www.perrspectives.com/blog/archives/001080.htm"  class="liexternal">Cindy&#8217;s not a big giver either</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46564</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is a good article in USA today about this stuff.  It&#039;s interesting.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a good article in USA today about this stuff.  It&#8217;s interesting.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm"  class="liexternal">http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-09-12-biden-financial_N.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46563</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 21:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of these days I&#039;ll post some stuff out of this leadership book I&#039;m reading by John Maxwell.

He talks about the 20/80 rule.  One of the things he mentions is that 20% of the people will give 80% of the money.  It&#039;s a sad fact.

Joe Biden is guilty in this area.  Julie and I have given more to charity this year than Joe has in the last 10 years.  I&#039;m not trying to turn this into a personal attack on Joe.  It just think it&#039;s an appropriate comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of these days I&#8217;ll post some stuff out of this leadership book I&#8217;m reading by John Maxwell.</p>
<p>He talks about the 20/80 rule.  One of the things he mentions is that 20% of the people will give 80% of the money.  It&#8217;s a sad fact.</p>
<p>Joe Biden is guilty in this area.  Julie and I have given more to charity this year than Joe has in the last 10 years.  I&#8217;m not trying to turn this into a personal attack on Joe.  It just think it&#8217;s an appropriate comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jules »&lt;/p&gt; I&#039;m afraid you guys are the exception.  It&#039;s a very rare thing to find people as civic-minded as you are, cherishing the privilege to give freely.  Most people won&#039;t give unless they have to.

I worked on my church&#039;s Stewardship Committee this year.  It was an eye-opener, and these are all Christians that we were appealing to!  Our pastor gave an interesting statistic recently too: the highest contributions of income in the state of Colorado came from a small farming town, south of Pueblo (something like 13% of their income).  The lowest came from a very affluent town near Boulder (under 3%).  The rich get richer and the poor poorer, but the latter is richer in spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules »</p>
<p> I&#8217;m afraid you guys are the exception.  It&#8217;s a very rare thing to find people as civic-minded as you are, cherishing the privilege to give freely.  Most people won&#8217;t give unless they have to.</p>
<p>I worked on my church&#8217;s Stewardship Committee this year.  It was an eye-opener, and these are all Christians that we were appealing to!  Our pastor gave an interesting statistic recently too: the highest contributions of income in the state of Colorado came from a small farming town, south of Pueblo (something like 13% of their income).  The lowest came from a very affluent town near Boulder (under 3%).  The rich get richer and the poor poorer, but the latter is richer in spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46561</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 19:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole idea of spreading the wealth is disturbing to me. Jealousy is wishing you had what someone else has. Envy is, &quot;I can&#039;t have it so you shouldn&#039;t have it either&quot;. I think this spread the wealth ideology is causing class warfare which is becoming dangerously close to envy. 

Obama made the comment that those opposed to &quot;spreading the wealth&quot; were making selfishness a virtue. I actually felt very angry about that comment. James and I are very giving people and the more we make the more we will give, not just to our church family but to those around us in need. I want to have the honor of spreading my wealth around myself. I know I can do a much more with my giving than the government. I am grateful that God has put people in my life who have need. It&#039;s such a blessing to give. Plus, I don&#039;t want my money going to social programs that I think are terribly wrong. 

That being said, our country is amazing no matter who is President. Our country is much bigger than one man or one woman. I respect the Presidency and am thankful no matter who wins to be an American. We are so blessed!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole idea of spreading the wealth is disturbing to me. Jealousy is wishing you had what someone else has. Envy is, &#8220;I can&#8217;t have it so you shouldn&#8217;t have it either&#8221;. I think this spread the wealth ideology is causing class warfare which is becoming dangerously close to envy. </p>
<p>Obama made the comment that those opposed to &#8220;spreading the wealth&#8221; were making selfishness a virtue. I actually felt very angry about that comment. James and I are very giving people and the more we make the more we will give, not just to our church family but to those around us in need. I want to have the honor of spreading my wealth around myself. I know I can do a much more with my giving than the government. I am grateful that God has put people in my life who have need. It&#8217;s such a blessing to give. Plus, I don&#8217;t want my money going to social programs that I think are terribly wrong. </p>
<p>That being said, our country is amazing no matter who is President. Our country is much bigger than one man or one woman. I respect the Presidency and am thankful no matter who wins to be an American. We are so blessed!!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have to admit to you guys.  I am pretty biased against Obama.

I don&#039;t care about all these associations and I would guess most Americans don&#039;t either.

I can&#039;t help but look at this from a small business owners perspective.  I have to ask myself who will be the best for small business.

I don&#039;t claim to have all these statistics figured out.  Both sides give different numbers on the sizes of the &#039;average&#039; small business and I don&#039;t honestly know who is right.

From what I can tell Obama feels that he should tax the large businesses and give the money to lower income people assuming they will grow the economy.  I&#039;ll admit that any extra money I get from the government will be used to grow my business and take care of my family.  I feel that&#039;s a pretty good use of that tax money.

McCain&#039;s plan is to continue to give tax breaks to the most wealthy people in America.  He believes those are the people who create jobs.  I can&#039;t find where either of these statements are inaccurate.

Here&#039;s the question I&#039;ve had to ask myself.  On percentage, who is better with money?  The top wage earners in America or the lower wager earners?  Well, most of the millionaires in American are first generation rich so I&#039;d say to even get rich you gotta be pretty good with money.

I&#039;m just not convinced that we need to punish the most successful in our country by having the government take their money and &#039;spread it around&#039; to people who didn&#039;t earn that money.

I&#039;m not personally ready for the government to take on this role.  I don&#039;t think you can legislate fiscal equality.

It is my dream and my goal to make it to an income high enough for Obama to take my money and give it away.  It scares me that that&#039;s the reward he has waiting for me.

So far the five years I have in business have been, well, hell.  It&#039;s been the hardest crap I have ever had to do.  Last year we lost more money then I made the previous 3 years combined.  It&#039;s a complete miracle (and I do mean a miracle from God) that my business even exists today.  We have had to sacrifice in ways that neither Obama or McCain (or anyone else) can even imagine no matter how much they pretend to try.  My reward for sticking this out and finding a way to really turn this into something big is to have a freaking politician decide that I have to much and some of MY MONEY will need to be taken away and given to someone who did nothing to earn it.   

That is exactly what Obama is preaching and that isn&#039;t spin.  It&#039;s the truth.

I hope to God Obama&#039;s plan is the best one if he wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have to admit to you guys.  I am pretty biased against Obama.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care about all these associations and I would guess most Americans don&#8217;t either.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t help but look at this from a small business owners perspective.  I have to ask myself who will be the best for small business.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t claim to have all these statistics figured out.  Both sides give different numbers on the sizes of the &#8216;average&#8217; small business and I don&#8217;t honestly know who is right.</p>
<p>From what I can tell Obama feels that he should tax the large businesses and give the money to lower income people assuming they will grow the economy.  I&#8217;ll admit that any extra money I get from the government will be used to grow my business and take care of my family.  I feel that&#8217;s a pretty good use of that tax money.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s plan is to continue to give tax breaks to the most wealthy people in America.  He believes those are the people who create jobs.  I can&#8217;t find where either of these statements are inaccurate.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the question I&#8217;ve had to ask myself.  On percentage, who is better with money?  The top wage earners in America or the lower wager earners?  Well, most of the millionaires in American are first generation rich so I&#8217;d say to even get rich you gotta be pretty good with money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not convinced that we need to punish the most successful in our country by having the government take their money and &#8217;spread it around&#8217; to people who didn&#8217;t earn that money.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not personally ready for the government to take on this role.  I don&#8217;t think you can legislate fiscal equality.</p>
<p>It is my dream and my goal to make it to an income high enough for Obama to take my money and give it away.  It scares me that that&#8217;s the reward he has waiting for me.</p>
<p>So far the five years I have in business have been, well, hell.  It&#8217;s been the hardest crap I have ever had to do.  Last year we lost more money then I made the previous 3 years combined.  It&#8217;s a complete miracle (and I do mean a miracle from God) that my business even exists today.  We have had to sacrifice in ways that neither Obama or McCain (or anyone else) can even imagine no matter how much they pretend to try.  My reward for sticking this out and finding a way to really turn this into something big is to have a freaking politician decide that I have to much and some of MY MONEY will need to be taken away and given to someone who did nothing to earn it.   </p>
<p>That is exactly what Obama is preaching and that isn&#8217;t spin.  It&#8217;s the truth.</p>
<p>I hope to God Obama&#8217;s plan is the best one if he wins.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lol, John is ruining all my fun.

Here is more proof that Obama is bad for America.  He plans on legislating rap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnme2WLB9YM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lol, John is ruining all my fun.</p>
<p>Here is more proof that Obama is bad for America.  He plans on legislating rap.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnme2WLB9YM"  class="liexternal">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnme2WLB9YM</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46479</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James » It&#039;s the details that matter! To know the truth, you must love it.
John » Thanks for that link!  It&#039;s amazing what can be done with editing, huh?  Case in point, The Shining as a romantic comedy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3_a6VtRqsg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James » It&#8217;s the details that matter! To know the truth, you must love it.<br />
John » Thanks for that link!  It&#8217;s amazing what can be done with editing, huh?  Case in point, The Shining as a romantic comedy:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3_a6VtRqsg"  class="liexternal">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3_a6VtRqsg</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.electrolund.com/2008/10/hate-mail/comment-page-1#comment-46475</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, now, don&#039;t bore me with the details!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, now, don&#8217;t bore me with the details!</p>
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